Legislature(2021 - 2022)ADAMS 519

03/02/2021 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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09:04:08 AM Start
09:06:04 AM HB69 || HB71
09:06:09 AM Presentation: Fy 22 Governor's Budget and Amendments by the Office of Management and Budget
10:11:55 AM Presentation: Overview of the Governor's Fy 22 Budget by the Legislative Finance Division
11:01:44 AM Adjourn
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+= HB 69 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 71 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Continuation of:
+ Presentation: FY 22 Governor's Budget & TELECONFERENCED
Amendments by
- Neil Steininger, Director, Office of
Management & Budget
- Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance
Div.
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 69                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;    making   reappropriations;    making                                                                    
     supplemental   appropriations;  making   appropriations                                                                    
     under art.  IX, sec.  17(c), Constitution of  the State                                                                    
     of  Alaska,  from  the  constitutional  budget  reserve                                                                    
     fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 71                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive    mental    health    program;    making                                                                    
     supplemental  appropriations;  and   providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster reviewed  the  agenda for  the meeting.  He                                                                    
indicated the presentation was a  continuation of the Office                                                                    
of Budget  and Management overview  of the governor's  FY 22                                                                    
budget  and   the  governor's  10-year   plan  as   well  as                                                                    
amendments.  The committee  would also  hear an  overview of                                                                    
the FY 22 budget by  the director of the Legislative Finance                                                                    
Division (LFD), Mr. Alexi Painter.  He asked members to hold                                                                    
questions until the end of each presentation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:06:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  FY 22  GOVERNOR'S BUDGET  AND AMENDMENTS  BY                                                                  
THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:06:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NEIL STEININGER, DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF  THE GOVERNOR, introduced himself  and referred to                                                                    
the  question  posed  in  the  previous  day  regarding  the                                                                    
schedule for  opening the  Palmer Correctional  Facility. He                                                                    
reported   that  the   Department   of  Transportation   and                                                                    
Facilities  Maintenance  (DOT)  was  scheduled  to  complete                                                                    
their work in  July 2021 with the  Department of Corrections                                                                    
(DOC) taking over the facility in August 2021.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  resumed the PowerPoint Presentation:  "FY 22                                                                    
Governor's Budget  Overview and Amendments by  the Office of                                                                    
Management and Budget," dated February  24, 2021 (copy on ns                                                                    
file).  He  began with  the  budget  for the  Department  of                                                                    
Military  and  Veterans  Affairs  (DMVA)  on  slide  22.  He                                                                    
highlighted an  increase in FY  21 in the general  fund (GF)                                                                    
line and the  comparison between FY 19 and FY  22. There was                                                                    
a significant  increase in unrestricted general  funds (UGF)                                                                    
in  DMVA. He  explained that  the reason  was not  due to  a                                                                    
budget increment.  Rather, it reflected the  transfer of the                                                                    
State  of Alaska  Telecommunications System  (SATS) and  the                                                                    
Alaska Land Mobile Radio (ALMR)  programs into DMVA from the                                                                    
Department of Administration (DOA).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued that in  moving the  programs over                                                                    
to  DMVA, the  department looked  at the  services delivered                                                                    
and the management of the  programs. The department would be                                                                    
combining them  under one name, Alaska  Public Communication                                                                    
Services. The name better aligned  the services provided and                                                                    
the beneficiaries  of those services.  The primary  users of                                                                    
the systems  were the Alaska  State Troopers,  state police,                                                                    
and other emergency responders.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Steininger  noted   that  the   department  had   also                                                                    
eliminated   some  vacant   positions  including   a  budget                                                                    
analyst, a  deputy director, a communications  engineer, and                                                                    
a  maintenance journeyman.  The  savings  amounted to  about                                                                    
$280,000 UGF and a reduction  in federal receipts associated                                                                    
with   the  positions.   The  department   also  made   some                                                                    
reductions by  looking at trends  of prior  years' spending,                                                                    
particularly  on maintenance  costs  within the  department,                                                                    
and finding other  ways to achieve its  goals while aligning                                                                    
the budget to historical spending.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:08:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger reviewed  the budget  for the  Department of                                                                    
Natural  Resources (DNR)  on slide  23.  He highlighted  the                                                                    
steady decline in  the budget since FY 15. Over  the prior 3                                                                    
years the  department had seen  a reduction of  17.4 percent                                                                    
or just over $10 million UGF.  He noted that in prior slides                                                                    
for  DNR, the  Office  of Management  and  Budget (OMB)  had                                                                    
shown the  numbers net  of supplemental  requests to  give a                                                                    
true  picture of  the size  of the  department budgets.  The                                                                    
Department  of  Natural  Resources  was  slightly  different                                                                    
because fire suppression costs were  included in the budget.                                                                    
Fire  suppression  costs  could  be  wildly  different  from                                                                    
year-to-year  and  were  removed  from  the  numbers  for  a                                                                    
clearer picture. In  the current year, very  little had been                                                                    
spent on fire suppression.  The department believed it would                                                                    
have some  excess fire suppression  money at the end  of the                                                                    
year in  the normal baseline  cost of fire  suppression. The                                                                    
department would like  to use some of the  excess funding to                                                                    
support fuel  mitigation and cut fire  breaks for prevention                                                                    
purposes in  the following year. Ideally,  overtime it would                                                                    
reduce the need for fire suppression activity.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  reported  that the  department  also  added                                                                    
$250,000 in  support of park  ranger law  enforcement. There                                                                    
had  not  been adequate  funding  to  provide the  necessary                                                                    
equipment for  park rangers. The increment  was necessary to                                                                    
support the activities they performed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  mentioned that  in the  Division of  Oil and                                                                    
Gas and the Division of  Mining and Water they had collected                                                                    
receipts greater  than the  amount they  had spent  over the                                                                    
previous  several years.  It appeared  the same  trend would                                                                    
continue  into  the future.  It  allowed  the department  to                                                                    
offset  some  UGF costs  by  utilizing  those receipts.  The                                                                    
amount OMB  was projecting  that should be  sustainable over                                                                    
the long  term, based  on trends  over the  previous several                                                                    
years, was slightly  over $2.5 million in offset  of GF fund                                                                    
costs.  He  reported there  was  also  an adjustment  to  an                                                                    
increment  from  the prior  year  for  plan review.  As  the                                                                    
department had  been implementing the increment  it found it                                                                    
had overestimated the costs needed.  The department was able                                                                    
to reduce the prior year addition by $100,000.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:12:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger advanced to slide  24 which showed the budget                                                                    
for the  Department of Public  Safety (DPS).  The department                                                                    
had seen a  steady increase in its budget  over the previous                                                                    
several years,  as the state had  made strategic investments                                                                    
in  public protection-related  fields.  An  increase in  the                                                                    
number of Alaska State Troopers  had been a priority. In the                                                                    
current  year  the administration  was  not  adding any  new                                                                    
troopers. However,  it was fully  funding troopers  added in                                                                    
the prior  year. In FY  21 several new troopers  were added,                                                                    
but added  at 75  percent funding  as an  acknowledgement of                                                                    
the  department's  lag  in recruitment.  At  the  time,  the                                                                    
department knew it  would not be able to recruit  all of the                                                                    
troopers the first  day of the fiscal  year. Therefore, they                                                                    
had  not  needed the  full  funding.  The increment  brought                                                                    
levels to  full funding of  salaries and benefits  since the                                                                    
recruitment phase.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  relayed  that   there  were  a  handful  of                                                                    
adjustments   in   the   department's  budget   in   non-law                                                                    
enforcement areas having to do  with support and back-office                                                                    
areas. The  adjustments were related  to positions  that had                                                                    
been vacant  for a  significant amount  of time,  travel and                                                                    
commodity items that could be  reduced, or other contractual                                                                    
savings. The  savings was spread  out through 6 or  7 budget                                                                    
components but  added up to  a savings of almost  $1 million                                                                    
UGF. The  department was also eliminating  2 vacant building                                                                    
plan  review positions  that had  been added  in the  recent                                                                    
year.  The  positions  had  not been  filled,  and  DPS  was                                                                    
looking  at  ways  to satisfy  the  activity  through  other                                                                    
means.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon   queried  about  the   building  plan                                                                    
positions.  He  had  been  in  charge  of  the  department's                                                                    
subcommittee budget  over the previous  2 years. One  of the                                                                    
concerns  had been  the delays  in  building plan  approvals                                                                    
around  the state  through the  Fire Marshall's  office. Mr.                                                                    
Steininger had  mentioned there was  an effort  to outsource                                                                    
the building plan  reviews and approvals. He  wondered if he                                                                    
was aware  of whether the  response times for  building plan                                                                    
approvals  had  improved.  He had  heard  of  building  plan                                                                    
approvals  through  the  Fire  Marshall's  office  taking  6                                                                    
months. He asked for an update.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger was  aware of the issue  of timeliness around                                                                    
building  plan  approvals. He  did  not  have a  statistical                                                                    
update  but  would follow-up  with  the  department and  the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon would  be asking  the question  of DPS                                                                    
when they presented to the subcommittee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  if someone  from DPS  was available                                                                    
online. Co-Chair Foster responded in the negative.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  asked   Mr.  Steininger  whether  the                                                                    
numbers reflected the plan  to consolidate trooper dispatch.                                                                    
Mr. Steininger did  not believe the amount  was reflected in                                                                    
the numbers, but he could get back to the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:16:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  continued  to  the  Department  of  Revenue                                                                    
(DOR)'s budget on  slide 25. He pointed to  the grey section                                                                    
of  the graph  which  showed other  funds, the  overwhelming                                                                    
majority  of  spending  for  the  department.  It  reflected                                                                    
management of  state assets in  the Treasury and  the Alaska                                                                    
Permanent Fund  Corporation (APFC). Most of  the significant                                                                    
budget changes could  be seen in other funds  as well. While                                                                    
they were  not a  direct impact  to state  UGF, they  had an                                                                    
impact  to state  finances  in terms  of  reducing costs  in                                                                    
managing  the  funds  he  had   mentioned.  For  example,  a                                                                    
$10 million  reduction to  the  Retirement Management  Board                                                                    
investment  management costs,  although not  reflected as  a                                                                    
UGF  savings,  reduced  costs  in  managing  the  retirement                                                                    
system. In  turn it reduced  the need for deposits  into the                                                                    
retirement system over time.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  continued  that  the  department  was  also                                                                    
looking  at restructuring  how to  pay for  other investment                                                                    
management of  smaller funds which  had been paid  with UGF.                                                                    
The  department  was proposing  to  move  to the  policy  of                                                                    
charging the  fund which was  being managed for the  cost of                                                                    
managing the  fund. There  was a  $1.4 million  reduction in                                                                    
UGF  costs with  additions of  that cost  pointing to  those                                                                    
funds being managed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger reported that the  Child Support Division was                                                                    
looking  to move  its antiquated  case management  system on                                                                    
the state's  mainframe to a  web-based platform  which would                                                                    
reduce  the  cost of  system  support  and maintenance.  The                                                                    
change would  also provide  the division  with a  measure as                                                                    
they worked towards a more  robust, modern system that would                                                                    
tie in  with other information technology  (IT) systems used                                                                    
by DOR.  There was a reduction  in general fund costs  and a                                                                    
corresponding request  in the capital budget  related to the                                                                    
new system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  continued that  there  were  also 3  vacant                                                                    
positions within the  department that had been  vacant for a                                                                    
significant time and were being  eliminated without any real                                                                    
impact to the workload.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   indicated  that  APFC  had   moved  to  an                                                                    
incentive compensation  plan for fund managers.  He reported                                                                    
that the amount of $890,000  was the maximum the corporation                                                                    
might  need, but  might not  be  the actual  amount paid  in                                                                    
incentive compensation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon remarked  that he had tried  to put the                                                                    
incentive  compensation  plan in  the  budget  in the  prior                                                                    
year, but it was  cut. He was happy to see  it in the budget                                                                    
in the current year. The  payment of a performance bonus was                                                                    
standard  in   the  industry.  The  Alaska   Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Corporation  Board of  Trustees  had  been recommending  the                                                                    
bonus incentive  for some  time. He  explained that  a bonus                                                                    
would only be paid  for above average performance. Exceeding                                                                    
expectations  created   a  cashflow   to  APFC   that  would                                                                    
self-fund the incentive compensation plan.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson concurred with  comments made by the                                                                    
previous speaker.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:20:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  about  the capital  request                                                                    
for  the Child  Support Division's  case management  system.                                                                    
Mr. Steininger  believed the total project  cost was between                                                                    
$12  million  and  $15  million.  The  cost  of  the  system                                                                    
included  a federal  share along  with the  state's portion.                                                                    
The  division  also  received certain  garnishments  through                                                                    
child support  that would help  to fund the  state's portion                                                                    
of the project.  By federal law these funds were  due to the                                                                    
child support  agency and not  to individuals.  He indicated                                                                    
DOR  could provide  a better  explanation of  the mechanics.                                                                    
The general  fund costs for  the new system  were relatively                                                                    
low compared to the overall cost  of the system. In the long                                                                    
run, it would  help to achieve some budget  savings in terms                                                                    
of the management  system. One of the key  components of the                                                                    
project was intertying the system with other areas of DOR.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Josephson   expressed    concerned   about                                                                    
foregoing $864,000  in federal revenue. However,  he thought                                                                    
Mr.  Steininger had  provided an  understanding of  both the                                                                    
efficiency and the need to achieve it in the outyears.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool mentioned  a  presentation  by DOR  the                                                                    
previous day  in the finance  subcommittee that had  a slide                                                                    
showing the  returns on investment on  the Alaska Retirement                                                                    
Management Board  (ARMB) comparing it to  the Permanent Fund                                                                    
(PF). The slide showed  that the ARMB slightly out-performed                                                                    
the  PF  in  the  5-year  average  return.  The  Power  Cost                                                                    
Equalization (PCE)  Fund, which out-performed both  the ARMB                                                                    
and  the  PF  on  the 5-year  average  return,  had  passive                                                                    
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:23:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  moved to  the budget  for the  Department of                                                                    
Transportation and  Public Facilities (DOT) on  slide 26. He                                                                    
highlighted  a   significant  change  to  the   budget:  the                                                                    
transfer of  the remaining facilities  management activities                                                                    
from the Department  of Administration (DOA) to  DOT. In the                                                                    
FY  22 budget  and  going forward  all  management of  state                                                                    
facilities and  leasing of facilities would  be housed under                                                                    
DOT.  The  new  level  of workload  required  an  additional                                                                    
division within  the department. He indicated  that the work                                                                    
of the  new division,  the Division of  Facilities Services,                                                                    
used to  be spread throughout the  Maintenance and Operation                                                                    
Section within DOT.  Having all of the  activities under one                                                                    
roof would  allow the state to  have a better look  at space                                                                    
utilization and space management.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued that another large  change made to                                                                    
the  FY 22  budget for  DOT was  utilizing Coronavirus  Aid,                                                                    
Relief,  and  Economic  Security   (CARES)  Act  funding  to                                                                    
displace  UGF. The  CARES  Act funding  was  related to  the                                                                    
Federal Aviation Administration funding  he discussed in his                                                                    
presentation in  the preceding day.  He reported  that about                                                                    
$14.6 million  of the  funding was  available to  offset UGF                                                                    
costs in FY  22 and to allow for the  department to maintain                                                                    
activities.  He  noted that  the  Cares  Act Funding  was  a                                                                    
temporary  fix, and  it was  unlikely the  funding would  be                                                                    
available in the following year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  moved to  the budget  for the  Alaska Marine                                                                    
Highway System  (AMHS) which  reflected baseline  funding as                                                                    
proposed  in  the  prior  fiscal   year.  It  represented  a                                                                    
reduction  of about  $3.6 million  UGF.  The department  was                                                                    
still reviewing  the AMHS reshaping  study that was  done in                                                                    
the prior summer  to get a better idea of  the future of the                                                                    
system  and how  to provide  the best  service to  Southeast                                                                    
Alaska. He noted that the  department had been impacted over                                                                    
the previous several  years by shortfalls in  motor fuel tax                                                                    
revenues. The budget reflected a  shift of about $500,000 in                                                                    
unrealized motor  fuel tax to  UGF in order  for maintenance                                                                    
activities   to  continue.   He  indicated   DOT  had   been                                                                    
conducting maintenance  on roads  that were  not state-owned                                                                    
and did  not have any  maintenance agreements in  place. The                                                                    
administration  was  proposing  to cease  those  maintenance                                                                    
activities until agreements were established.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  asked if  the change in  motor fuel                                                                    
tax revenues had to do with  more electric cars on the road.                                                                    
He also wondered  if a road fee for electric  cars was being                                                                    
considered. Mr.  Steininger responded  that he did  not know                                                                    
how  much of  the  change  in collections  was  a result  of                                                                    
electric cars being  on the road. The  Department of Revenue                                                                    
or  DOT  might  be  able  to  address  the  representative's                                                                    
question.  He was  unsure of  any  potential legislation  to                                                                    
address the issue.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  mentioned   HB  104  [Legislation                                                                    
introduced  in 2021  regarding motor  fuel  tax and  vehicle                                                                    
registration  fees]. He  pointed  to the  $14.6 million  UGF                                                                    
reduction. He  asked whether, in  the absence of  Covid, the                                                                    
FY 19 to FY  22 change would be closer to  a $30 million UGF                                                                    
reduction. Mr. Steininger responded affirmatively.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson was  confused  by the  use of  the                                                                    
term,  "The  funding of  essential  service  levels for  the                                                                    
marine highway  system." Many  thought that  AMHS' essential                                                                    
services level was not currently  being met. He wondered how                                                                    
it could be met with less funding.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger suggested  a more  robust conversation  with                                                                    
DOT about  providing the service.  The Office  of Management                                                                    
and Budget could help facilitate  the discussion. There were                                                                    
many  complexities in  providing the  service. He  mentioned                                                                    
aging  vessels,  the impacts  of  Covid-19,  and many  other                                                                    
factors  impacting current  service. He  noted the  schedule                                                                    
was something  that was looked  at closely in  the reshaping                                                                    
study.  The hope  was  that by  adjusting  the schedule,  it                                                                    
would increase  ridership while meeting  the basic  needs of                                                                    
different communities.  Ridership drove costs for  the ferry                                                                    
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson noted  that for  the last  several                                                                    
years  the  Legislature  had   taken  an  opposite  approach                                                                    
supplementing the system as much as possible.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster indicated the  finance subcommittee would be                                                                    
looking at the AMHS budget closely.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:31:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  referenced the elimination  of maintenance                                                                    
of    non-state-owned   roads.    She   asked    where   the                                                                    
non-state-owned   roads   were   located.   Mr.   Steininger                                                                    
responded that he would provide an answer in writing.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool suggested that  the total motor fuel tax                                                                    
was approximately  $40 million  annually. He  suggested that                                                                    
$500,000 was  one-eightieth or 1.5  percent of  $40 million.                                                                    
He asked about the $50  million in the budget change summary                                                                    
listed under  "Other." He wondered  where the  increase came                                                                    
from.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  replied  that  the  money  represented  the                                                                    
transfer of  the facilities activities. The  Public Building                                                                    
Fund, which  managed most of  the state's  office buildings,                                                                    
was  transferred  into DOT  and  listed  under "other."  The                                                                    
funding came  from lease payments  by state agencies  to pay                                                                    
for the  maintenance of their buildings.  The money appeared                                                                    
in the budget as a duplicated other fund.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool suggested  that DOT  was increasing  to                                                                    
include all public facilities. He  asked if there might be a                                                                    
bifurcation  of the  department  similar to  what was  being                                                                    
done  with  the Department  of  Health  and Social  Services                                                                    
(DHSS).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded that  the department's approach was                                                                    
to  create  another division  within  DOT  that handled  the                                                                    
responsibilities.  Previously,   the  associated  activities                                                                    
were baked into the regional budgets  and was at a time when                                                                    
DOT managed its own facilities.  Now that the department was                                                                    
managing facilities on behalf of  others, it made more sense                                                                    
to  have  a  separate  division to  carry  out  the  related                                                                    
responsibilities.  He  did  not  believe  the  activity  was                                                                    
enough to justify another department.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz clarified that  AMHS served Coastal Alaska,                                                                    
not  just Southeast  Alaska. He  asked Mr.  Steininger about                                                                    
any specific recommendations from  the reshaping study group                                                                    
that were now being  implemented. Mr. Steininger deferred to                                                                    
DOT. He  could get  a written response  about what  had been                                                                    
implemented  since the  study  was  conducted. The  December                                                                    
budget proposal came out shortly  after the reshaping study.                                                                    
He supposed  there had not  been enough time  to incorporate                                                                    
any recommended changes into the December budget.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:37:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  did  not see  any  decrements  of                                                                    
position  control   numbers  (PCNs)   in  DOA's   budget  on                                                                    
slide 10.  He  thought a  reduction  should  be listed.  Mr.                                                                    
Steininger  indicated  that  the positive  number  in  DOA's                                                                    
budget was  net of the  amount going to DOT.  The Department                                                                    
of Administration was  also in the process  of a procurement                                                                    
consolidation  in  which  many positions  were  coming  from                                                                    
other departments into DOA skewing the numbers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  asked   if  road  maintenance  only                                                                    
applied to  all state-owned roads  or to just some  of them.                                                                    
If the answer was only some  of the roads, she wondered what                                                                    
process was  used to  select them. She  also asked  when the                                                                    
transfer of maintenance would take  place. She thought there                                                                    
might be  a significant impact on  municipality budgets. She                                                                    
suggested providing notice.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger replied  that the  intention was  to capture                                                                    
any areas where a  non-state-owned road was being maintained                                                                    
by DOT  without an agreement in  place. At the time  when he                                                                    
put  the list  together in  December, he  believed it  to be                                                                    
comprehensive. There  might be some other  roads that should                                                                    
be on the list. The lack  of an agreement with the state was                                                                    
what he was trying to identify.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson asked  Mr. Steininger  what kind  of                                                                    
timeline he was looking at.  Mr. Steininger replied that the                                                                    
decrement  would  be effective  on  July  1, 2021  when  the                                                                    
responsibility  would shift.  Until then,  maintenance would                                                                    
continue through the winter.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:41:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  addressed the budget  for the  University of                                                                    
Alaska  on  slide  27.  He noted  the  compact  between  the                                                                    
University and the administration  to phase in reductions to                                                                    
the  university system  over time.  Fiscal year  22 was  the                                                                    
final year  of the compact.  The University would  be moving                                                                    
to a  non-profit entity  and would no  longer appear  in the                                                                    
state budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   asked  if  the   transition  Mr.                                                                    
Steininger   described  was   at  the   discretion  of   the                                                                    
University.    Mr.    Steininger    confirmed    that    the                                                                    
recommendations came from the Board of Regents.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  reported on  the  state's  debt service  on                                                                    
slide 28. Debt  service was the payment  of debt obligations                                                                    
primarily from prior General  Obligation (GO) Bond issuances                                                                    
and also the School Bond  Debt Program. The state had funded                                                                    
50 percent of the statutory  calculation for the School Bond                                                                    
Debt  Program   in  FY   22  which   was  the   same  amount                                                                    
appropriated in FY  20. He relayed that in FY  21 the entire                                                                    
amount was  vetoed. It was  an increase from the  prior year                                                                    
but  flat funded  from FY  20.  The increase  was offset  by                                                                    
other reductions  in debt service  costs to the  state. Some                                                                    
of the prior debt obligations  were winding down. He pointed                                                                    
out the change  from FY 21 to FY 22  reflecting a $4 million                                                                    
increase, and the  state had added $12.5  million for school                                                                    
bond debt reimbursement.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson was confused  by the combination of                                                                    
previous  bond debt  of a  general nature  with school  bond                                                                    
debt  which was  an  annual item.  Mr. Steininger  responded                                                                    
that the slide  mirrored the structure in  the budget report                                                                    
including all debt obligations  of the state. Representative                                                                    
Josephson was  correct that there were  distinctly different                                                                    
flavors  of   state  debt  in  the   state  budget.  General                                                                    
Obligation  (GO)  Bond Debt  was  a  constitutional form  of                                                                    
debt,  whereas, school  bond debt  was a  statutory program.                                                                    
The state debt was co-mingled in the numbers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:45:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson noted that  the people of Anchorage                                                                    
took on $50  million in debt, and the state  paid 70 percent                                                                    
in  2013 on  their behalf.  In  the current  year the  state                                                                    
might pay  35 percent. He  wondered if the other  35 percent                                                                    
was gone permanently.  Mr. Steininger thought Representative                                                                    
Josephson was  asking if  in a future  year the  state could                                                                    
compensate   a  community   for   differences  between   the                                                                    
statutory  obligation and  what the  state had  paid in  the                                                                    
past. He  responded that nothing would  restrict a community                                                                    
assistance distribution.  However, the debt  service payment                                                                    
was  due from  the community,  the debtor,  as it  was their                                                                    
obligation. Although  the assistance  would not come  in the                                                                    
form  of   a  debt   payment,  another  form   of  community                                                                    
assistance arrangement could be made.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  mentioned  the  governor's  bond  package                                                                    
proposal to  fund the  capital budget.  If the  proposal was                                                                    
approved, he  asked what  the amount would  be and  when the                                                                    
state would see an impact to the debt service for FY 23.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  suggested that once  the bonds  were issued,                                                                    
the service cost  would be about $22.8  million. There would                                                                    
be some staggering  of bond issuance. In the  first year the                                                                    
service cost  could be  less than  $22.8 million.  The state                                                                    
debt  manager had  an estimate  of  the first  year of  debt                                                                    
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked how long  the state would  be paying                                                                    
$22.8 million per  year. Mr. Steininger replied  that it was                                                                    
a 20-year debt.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  mentioned  the University  of  Alaska                                                                    
bond debt.  He asked for  the amount of annual  debt service                                                                    
the University  carried and  the total  amount of  bond debt                                                                    
they  were responsible  for. Mr.  Steininger  would have  to                                                                    
consult with the  University and get back  to the committee.                                                                    
Representative  LeBon  offered  that the  debt  service  was                                                                    
around $25 million annually.  Normally, the University asked                                                                    
for assistance  for debt service  in the capital  budget. He                                                                    
was unsure of the University's total bond debt.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:49:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued to slide 29:  "State Assistance to                                                                    
Retirement." He pointed  to the striking spike  in 2015 when                                                                    
the state made a large  deposit into the retirement systems.                                                                    
He  noted there  had been  a rising  trend in  the actuarial                                                                    
costs of  retirement. The state  made a one-time  payment to                                                                    
offset it  which significantly reduced the  state assistance                                                                    
payments in  the following  years. He  added that  the state                                                                    
assistance payments had risen since  then. However, in FY 22                                                                    
the actuarial  projection came down  slightly from  FY 21 to                                                                    
about $342  million. There was separate  legislation in play                                                                    
to  change the  way the  state financed  its portion  of the                                                                    
retirement  system payments.  It  would allow  the state  to                                                                    
access other  fund sources to  pay the state's  portion that                                                                    
was currently paid with UGF.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  highlighted  a couple  of  other  statewide                                                                    
items  in the  FY 22  operating  budget. He  noted that  the                                                                    
community  assistance   program  was   funded  based   on  a                                                                    
statutory calculation of PCE earnings  - about $12.4 million                                                                    
was  available for  the program.  It equated  to a  slightly                                                                    
reduced payment to  communities of $20 million.  Oil and gas                                                                    
tax  credits  were  funded  at   the  statutory  minimum  of                                                                    
$60 million,  and the  governor proposed  to pay  the amount                                                                    
with  Alaska  Industrial  Development and  Export  Authority                                                                    
(AIDEA) receipts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   asked   how   the   amount   of                                                                    
$12.3 million became  $20 million for  community assistance.                                                                    
Mr.  Steininger   replied  that  the   community  assistance                                                                    
program was paid for out  of the capitalized fund. One-third                                                                    
of the fund's balance went  out in community payments at the                                                                    
start of  each fiscal year. The  amount in the fund  for the                                                                    
start  of  FY  22  would  be  about  $60  million  of  which                                                                    
$20 million would  spin off, and  the amount of  $20 million                                                                    
would be  deposited. He corrected  himself that it  would be                                                                    
at the  start of  FY 23 that  there would  be a  spin-off of                                                                    
about  $20 million after  the payments  at the  beginning of                                                                    
FY 22. He offered to provide a table.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  suggested that the money  was down                                                                    
because  the governor  vetoed  the  legislature's effort  to                                                                    
recapitalize.  He asked  if he  was correct.  Mr. Steininger                                                                    
responded that  in the  budget for  the previous  year there                                                                    
were two deposits  into the fund, one of  which the governor                                                                    
vetoed. The  rationale behind the  governor's veto  was that                                                                    
the  administration knew  there would  be significant  CARES                                                                    
Act Funding distributed to  communities. The allowability of                                                                    
costs from  the Community  Assistance Fund was  much broader                                                                    
than  the CARES  Act  Funding.  However, the  administration                                                                    
knew that the money would offset  many of the costs borne by                                                                    
communities. The  Cares Act funding should  make communities                                                                    
whole  for   the  reduction  in  the   community  assistance                                                                    
payments in FY 20 and FY 21.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   suggested  that  it   created  a                                                                    
planning  problem in  the future  for FY  23 and  FY 24.  He                                                                    
suggested the  fiscal cliff  was coming.  He thought  it was                                                                    
another example of burdening local government.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon asked  if OMB had made  any fund source                                                                    
changes  for   retirement  away  from  general   funds.  Mr.                                                                    
Steininger   answered  that   the   numbers  reflected   the                                                                    
calculation  prior to  the legislation.  The  impact of  the                                                                    
legislation would  come through  a fiscal  note. It  was not                                                                    
reflected in the budget numbers.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  concluded the  presentation. He  could delve                                                                    
into  the budget  amendments  subsequent  to the  governor's                                                                    
release of the  budget in December. There  was a spreadsheet                                                                    
in members' packets.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  spoke of  the limited  amount of  time left                                                                    
for  Mr.   Steininger's  presentation.   He  asked   if  Mr.                                                                    
Steininger  was going  to  touch on  the  10-year plan.  Mr.                                                                    
Steininger responded  that there were some  slides that were                                                                    
covered on the first day  of the overview that addressed the                                                                    
first 5 years of the 10-year plan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster   suggested   reviewing   the   governor's                                                                    
amendments. He asked members to hold their questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:56:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger directed attention  to the 6-page spreadsheet                                                                    
in member's  packets. He  would run  through high  points on                                                                    
each page.  On page 1  there was  a small adjustment  to the                                                                    
Office  of Information  Technology  adding  a position  that                                                                    
would  serve  the new  Department  of  Family and  Community                                                                    
Services. There was  also a technical adjustment  in DOC. He                                                                    
explained that when  the bill came out in  December, some of                                                                    
the  budgetary allocations  were  listed out  of order.  The                                                                    
adjustment corrected  the order. There was  also an increase                                                                    
of  $10,000  in  federal  receipts  for  DOC  to  allow  the                                                                    
department  to receive  a  federal grant.  He  also noted  a                                                                    
small  adjustment  in  the  budget  for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Education  and  Early   Childhood  Development  (DEED).  The                                                                    
department determined that  it did not require as  much of a                                                                    
UGF match  for a  federal program and  was removing  it from                                                                    
its budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   continued  that  there  was   a  technical                                                                    
adjustment  on  line  5  of  page  1  to  align  the  Alaska                                                                    
Postsecondary  Education  budget  with a  separate  proposal                                                                    
made in December that needed to  be made in 2 places and had                                                                    
been  omitted in  one. In  the  Department of  Environmental                                                                    
Conservation there  was a technical  adjustment to  a change                                                                    
record  that  was  labeled incorrectly  when  it  was  first                                                                    
transmitted.  Another  change  for  DEC on  line  7  was  an                                                                    
increase in spill prevention and  response. He had discussed                                                                    
a   reduction  to   bring  the   fund  in   line  with   its                                                                    
over-appropriation   and   its    declining   balance.   The                                                                    
department  had overestimated  the  cost and  needed to  add                                                                    
back funding.  The amount would  still bring  the department                                                                    
into  a sustainable  spend from  the fund  based on  current                                                                    
revenue collections. Mr. Steininger  noted a $50,000 item in                                                                    
the budget  for the  Department of Fish  and Game  (DFG) for                                                                    
the Exxon Valdez  Oil Spill to adjust the  funding level for                                                                    
projects done by the Commercial Fisheries Division.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:59:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger moved  to page  2 of  the budget  amendments                                                                    
spreadsheet.  Item 9  was  a fix  for  a technical  drafting                                                                    
error in the budget where  there was some erroneous language                                                                    
in the  numbers section of the  bill. He pointed to  line 10                                                                    
which had  $900,000 in federal  receipts and on line  11 the                                                                    
amount was $2.1  million. The change moved a  portion of the                                                                    
Dingle-Johnson  and  Pittman-Robertson   programs  into  the                                                                    
operating  budget.  He  had discussed  the  change  when  he                                                                    
reviewed  the DFG  slide. He  continued  to line  12 in  the                                                                    
budget for OMB.  There was an addition  of an administrative                                                                    
services  director  for the  new  Department  of Family  and                                                                    
Community services.  On line 13  there was an  amendment for                                                                    
the  Division  of Elections,  as  it  required some  funding                                                                    
related to translating ballots  to different languages which                                                                    
had  been  funded  previously  by  the  federal  government.                                                                    
Federal  appropriations were  currently focused  on election                                                                    
security  rather  than  ballot  accessibility  and  language                                                                    
accessibility.   In   order   to   continue   the   language                                                                    
translation activities, UGF support was required.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  continued to  line  14  where there  was  a                                                                    
slight  change to  the elimination  of the  2 building  plan                                                                    
review  positions.  The  department  had  overestimated  the                                                                    
amount of money that could  be removed for the positions. An                                                                    
adjustment of $16,000 was needed.  Line 15 was a replacement                                                                    
of authority  associated with  a plan  to have  local police                                                                    
departments  pay for  the training  academy.  They were  not                                                                    
able  to receive  the funds  from local  police departments.                                                                    
Line 16  was also associated  with the Department  of Public                                                                    
Safety's budget  having to do  with a new federal  grant for                                                                    
the Sexual Assault Forensic  Evidence   Inventory, Tracking,                                                                    
and Reporting (SAFE-ITR) Program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued to line  17, an  adjustment within                                                                    
DOR   for  a   department-wide   risk  management   activity                                                                    
associated with  physical and  digital security  risks. Line                                                                    
18 was  a technical  correction to a  drafting error  in the                                                                    
bill.  Line  19  was  a  DOT amendment  having  to  do  with                                                                    
authority for  highways and aviation because  of the revenue                                                                    
shortfalls associated  with the motor fuel  tax and aviation                                                                    
fuel  taxes.   Line  20  was  an   addition  of  maintenance                                                                    
stations.  Line 21  was for  rural  airport paint  striping.                                                                    
Line  25  was also  an  additional  maintenance station.  He                                                                    
explained that  there were a couple  of maintenance stations                                                                    
previously funded  with CARES Act  Funding. The  funding was                                                                    
available for  a couple of  years, but the state  would have                                                                    
to  address the  funding once  the Coronavirus  Response and                                                                    
Relief  Supplemental  Appropriations   Act  (CRRSAA)  monies                                                                    
expired.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued to line  22 which was  a technical                                                                    
adjustment to address a description.  Line 23 was related to                                                                    
fuel tax  shortfalls. Line 24  was a result of  DOT changing                                                                    
the way  it structured shifts  on the Dalton Highway  due to                                                                    
Covid. The  shifts were  organized to  reduce the  amount of                                                                    
travel needed.  Line 25 had  to do with  another maintenance                                                                    
station, and line 26 had to do with airport paint striping.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:03:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   advanced  to  page  4   of  the  amendment                                                                    
spreadsheet. Line  27 was  another item  related to  the tax                                                                    
shortfalls  within  DOT.  Items  on lines  29  and  30  were                                                                    
technical adjustments for  Cost-of-Living Adjustments (COLA)                                                                    
in one  of the bargaining units.  Line 31 was a  result of a                                                                    
request    from   the    Judicial   branch    to   implement                                                                    
recommendations from  the state legislature's task  force in                                                                    
the  amount of  $480,000. From  line  34 on  the items  were                                                                    
related to the language section of  the bill. Line 34 was an                                                                    
update to  a description related  to the ability  to collect                                                                    
federal  receipts  for the  construction  of  a natural  gas                                                                    
pipeline.  Line  35  was  language  that  would  extend  the                                                                    
community grants through the CARES  Act as a result of CRRSA                                                                    
extending the  deadline for  expenditures. The  state needed                                                                    
language allowing  for the  appropriation to  extend through                                                                    
the available time period. Line  36 was an adjustment to the                                                                    
dividend from AIDEA. Their dividend  amount was not known at                                                                    
the time of the publication of the budget in December.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger turned  to page 5 of the  amendments. Line 37                                                                    
was $950,000 associated with  redistricting for the Division                                                                    
of Elections.  He elaborated  that the  division did  not do                                                                    
the  redistricting  work.  However, once  the  redistricting                                                                    
process was  completed, they would  have to print  new voter                                                                    
I.D.  cards   and  produce  materials  reflecting   the  new                                                                    
boundaries. Line  38 would allow the  Alaska Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation  to  carry  funds granted  through  the  Revised                                                                    
Program  Legislative   (RPL)  process  related   to  housing                                                                    
assistance from  CRRSAA and to  allow them to carry  it into                                                                    
FY 22  and FY 23, the  allowable time period for  the grant.                                                                    
Line 39  was erroneous and  was associated with line  38. It                                                                    
should not be printed in  the spreadsheet but was associated                                                                    
with extending the $168.5 million.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger relayed that line  40 was associated with the                                                                    
Washington,  Wyoming,  Alaska,  Montana, and  Idaho  (WWAMI)                                                                    
program requiring repayment for  those medical students that                                                                    
did not  return to  Alaska to  serve as  practitioners. They                                                                    
had to repay the  scholarships. Currently the repayment went                                                                    
into the  general fund, but  the scholarships were  paid out                                                                    
of  the  Higher  Education Investment  Fund.  The  amendment                                                                    
would allow  the repayment to go  back into the fund  it was                                                                    
paid  from. Line  41  and  line 42  were  requests from  the                                                                    
legislature related  to redistricting.  Line 45 and  on were                                                                    
technical in nature from a  budget perspective but reflected                                                                    
some  policy  considerations  as  well.  The  Department  of                                                                    
Administration was consolidating  human resources activities                                                                    
and   procurement   activities.   He   reported   that   the                                                                    
procurement   activities  and   the  PCNs   associated  with                                                                    
procurement  were  reflected  in the  December  budget.  The                                                                    
human  resources  PCNs  had not  been  fully  identified  or                                                                    
understood at  the time. The changes  reflected the transfer                                                                    
of  human  resources  staff  into DOA  as  part  of  central                                                                    
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:07:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger continued to page  6. He relayed that line 47                                                                    
completed the transfer of  the procurement consolidation for                                                                    
positions that had not been  identified in December. Line 48                                                                    
was  a transaction  within a  department to  adjust for  the                                                                    
shift  in  PCNs.  Line  49  aligned  maintenance  activities                                                                    
conducted by  DOT on behalf  of other tenants.  For example,                                                                    
DOA was in a building that  DOT had been the paying rent and                                                                    
utilities. There was a list  of other agencies that had been                                                                    
in  the same  type  of  arrangement. There  had  not been  a                                                                    
connection  between  the  utility  costs and  rent  and  the                                                                    
tenant. The cost was being realigned with the demand.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster indicated  the committee  was running  into                                                                    
time  set aside  for  LFD's presentation.  He suggested  the                                                                    
committee could continue in the evening.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:09:53 AM                                                                                                                   
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10:11:51 AM                                                                                                                   
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^PRESENTATION: OVERVIEW  OF THE  GOVERNOR'S FY 22  BUDGET BY                                                                  
THE LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:11:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
introduced  the PowerPoint  presentation:  "Overview of  the                                                                    
Governor's  FY  22 Budget."  He  began  with a  presentation                                                                    
outline  on  slide 2.  First,  he  would be  presenting  the                                                                    
history of  Alaska's budget deficit.  He would  then discuss                                                                    
Legislative  Finance Division's  (LFD) budget  baselines for                                                                    
FY 22  and how the governor's  FY 22 proposal lined  up with                                                                    
those  baselines. He  would move  on to  talk about  the big                                                                    
picture  of the  governor's budget,  the governor's  10-year                                                                    
plan, and the fiscal outlook.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter started with  Alaska's structural budget deficit                                                                    
on slide 3. The current year,  FY 21, was the ninth straight                                                                    
year  of  fiscal deficits.  The  governor's  FY 22  proposal                                                                    
would  bring  the  state  to a  full  decade.  Through  that                                                                    
period, the state  had reduced the budget  from $7.8 million                                                                    
in FY 13, the peak budget year,  to $4.5 billion in FY 21, a                                                                    
43 percent  decrease to the unrestricted  general fund (UGF)                                                                    
budget.  However,  during  that  time,  the  state's  budget                                                                    
reserve balances had dropped from  over $16 billion in FY 13                                                                    
to under  $1 billion in  the present  day. He noted  that it                                                                    
looked  like  the  state  spent   $15  billion  in  savings,                                                                    
however,  some  of the  funds  had  regenerated. During  the                                                                    
period  the  state had  drawn  down  its reserves  by  about                                                                    
$20 billion. The general fund (GF)  was projected to owe the                                                                    
Constitutional Budget  Reserve (CBR)  nearly $13  billion at                                                                    
the end  of FY  21 because  all of  the withdraws  from that                                                                    
account were a  constitutional debt from the GF  back to the                                                                    
CBR.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  indicated the  next  few  slides were  graphic                                                                    
illustrations  of  Alaska's  structural budget  deficit.  He                                                                    
continued  to the  bar chart  on  slide 4  which showed  the                                                                    
petroleum revenue versus  non-petroleum revenue picture over                                                                    
the last  decade. He  pointed out  that in  FY 12,  the last                                                                    
year the state had a  balanced budget, petroleum revenue was                                                                    
nearly  $9 billion.  It dropped  year-over-year to  under $1                                                                    
billion in FY  17. Petroleum revenue rose slightly  in FY 18                                                                    
and FY 19 and was back at  the comparable level in FY 21 and                                                                    
FY  22 in  the  forecast. Prices  had  been somewhat  higher                                                                    
since the  forecast. The  state could  receive approximately                                                                    
$200  million in  additional revenues,  but  it would  still                                                                    
represent a  much lower  level than  seen over  the previous                                                                    
decade. The  dramatic decline in  petroleum revenue  was the                                                                    
cause of the state's budget problems.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  moved to slide  5 which showed the  budget over                                                                    
the same  10-year period. He  highlighted the  budget moving                                                                    
downward like the  revenue did from the peak year  in FY 13.                                                                    
He  thought it  was interesting  that not  all of  the items                                                                    
listed  at  the bottom  of  the  slide moved  together.  The                                                                    
state's peak  budget year was  FY 13. However, the  peak for                                                                    
the operating budget  alone was FY 14. In  that year, facing                                                                    
a  deficit,  the  legislature  reduced  the  capital  budget                                                                    
substantially. In  FY 15 statewide  items were  reduced, but                                                                    
it was the peak for  agency operations only. Fiscal year 16,                                                                    
FY 17, and FY  18 showed lower levels  of funding reflecting                                                                    
budget cuts.  The chart  showed Alaska's  structural deficit                                                                    
and the  UGF Budget from FY  12 through FY 22.  He noted the                                                                    
budget moving  down from the  peak year  of FY 13.  The peak                                                                    
for the  operating budget was in  FY 14. In FY  15 statewide                                                                    
items were reduced.  The lower levels with  budget cuts were                                                                    
in FY 16 and FY 17.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued to  slide  6  which placed  the  two                                                                    
previous illustrations  together showing the  state's fiscal                                                                    
picture over the prior decade.  The revenue was reflected in                                                                    
the  background   and  the  bars   showed  the   budget.  He                                                                    
highlighted the  surplus in FY  12 followed by  deficits. He                                                                    
reported  that  the percent  of  market  value (POMV)  draw,                                                                    
which  began in  FY 19,  significantly reduced  the deficit.                                                                    
However,  the state  had experienced  a  deficit every  year                                                                    
despite  the draw.  The  percent of  market  value draw  was                                                                    
presently the state's largest source  of revenue, but it was                                                                    
not  enough  alone to  balance  the  budget. The  state  was                                                                    
currently looking at 10 straight years of fiscal deficits.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:15:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  turned to slide 7:  "Alaska's Structural Budget                                                                    
Deficit  (Con't):  CBR  and SBR  Balances,  FY  12-22."  The                                                                    
budget deficit  had eaten away  at the state's  reserves. He                                                                    
highlighted the  trend from FY  13 at  the peak of  over $16                                                                    
billion. In FY 20 the state  spent the last of the Statutory                                                                    
Budget  Reserve (SBR).  The fund  currently had  no balance.                                                                    
The  Constitutional  Budget  Reserve   had  gone  from  over                                                                    
$12 billion in FY 14 to $1 billion presently.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter reviewed  the UGF  agency  budget changes  from                                                                    
FY 15 to FY 21  on slide 8. He noted that  as the state made                                                                    
the  reductions  over the  past  decade,  the cuts  had  not                                                                    
fallen  equally on  agencies just  as they  hand not  fallen                                                                    
equally  on all  areas of  the  budget. Since  FY 15  agency                                                                    
operations were  down over $500 million.  However, not every                                                                    
agency  was down.  The  state's  public protection  agencies                                                                    
including DOC,  DPS, the Department  of Law, and  the Alaska                                                                    
Court  System were  up  6 percent  during  the same  10-year                                                                    
period. The  Department of  Education and  Early Development                                                                    
(DEED)  was relatively  flat. It  was down  about 2  percent                                                                    
primarily  because  there  was funding  outside  of  formula                                                                    
funding in  FY 15 that  was no longer  in the budget  in the                                                                    
current year. The reduction was relatively flat.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  that the  Department  of Health  and                                                                    
Social  Services   was  down  6  percent.   He  thought  the                                                                    
percentage  was understating  the  reduction the  department                                                                    
had experienced. He  explained that in FY 21  there was one-                                                                    
time money for Covid-19 spending    about $95 million in the                                                                    
FY 21  management plan.  If the  amount was  removed, DHSS's                                                                    
budget would  be down about  11 percent. All of  the smaller                                                                    
agencies from  the Department  of Administration  (DOA), the                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community and  economic Development                                                                    
(DCCED),   to    the   legislature's   budget    went   down                                                                    
significantly.  Collectively,  the  amount  was  about  $441                                                                    
million or  35.6 percent. There were  significant reductions                                                                    
to the smaller  agencies while the larger  agencies had seen                                                                    
smaller reductions.  In the case of  public protection, some                                                                    
of the agencies  had seen increases. Mr.  Painter offered to                                                                    
take questions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster wanted  to make  sure  the information  was                                                                    
presented  rather than  interrupting  the presentation  with                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:18:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  to slide  9:  "Alaska's  Structural                                                                    
Budget   Deficit  (Con't):   UGF   Agency  Budget   Changes,                                                                    
FY 15-22." The slide showed agency  operations over the same                                                                    
period similar  to the previous slide.  However, the current                                                                    
slide   broke    out   the   University   of    Alaska   and                                                                    
transportation.  He thought  the  trend  was interesting  to                                                                    
observe. He highlighted that from  the state's peak in FY 15                                                                    
there were steady  reductions down to FY  18. The governor's                                                                    
amended  budget for  the current  year was  almost the  same                                                                    
amount  as the  FY  18  budget. The  state  had made  steady                                                                    
reductions  down to  FY  18. The  budget  rose slightly  the                                                                    
following couple of years due  to Covid expenses. There were                                                                    
some increases in FY 19 that  the governor's vetoes in FY 20                                                                    
wiped   out.  The   supplemental  for   Covid-19  and   fire                                                                    
suppression in FY 20 brought the amount back up.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  that  in   FY  22  the  budget  was                                                                    
essentially flat with where the  state was at 4 years prior.                                                                    
The state had  not been able to make  large reductions since                                                                    
then.  There were  some agencies  that had  seen significant                                                                    
reductions over  the period, most notably  the University of                                                                    
Alaska.  Those reductions  had essentially  offset increases                                                                    
elsewhere, particularly  in the public  protection agencies.                                                                    
After HB  49 [Legislation passed in  2019 regarding criminal                                                                    
justice reform]. He highlighted that  the cuts that had been                                                                    
taken over  the current administration and  the previous few                                                                    
years had returned the state to  its same total level as the                                                                    
state was at 4 years prior.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  turned to  slide 10  which listed  LFD's budget                                                                    
baselines and the  budget for the current  year. He reported                                                                    
hearing that  it was  confusing to  compare the  budget from                                                                    
the previous  year to  the current  year because  there were                                                                    
several  distortions  that  occurred in  each  given  year's                                                                    
budget. In  FY 21 the  largest example was the  Covid relief                                                                    
and expenses. It  caused FY 21 not to be  a very clean point                                                                    
of   comparison  for   the   current   year.  Comparing   it                                                                    
year-to-year  it looked  like there  were large  reductions.                                                                    
However, they were really the  expiration of one-time items.                                                                    
In  order to  provide a  clearer comparison,  LFD created  2                                                                    
baselines for members    policy and law.  They were intended                                                                    
to provide a clean starting point.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  that  when  people  looked  at  the                                                                    
governor's budget,  it would not  be distorted as it  was in                                                                    
previous  years  as  a  point   of  comparison.  For  agency                                                                    
operations  he was  using the  adjusted base,  which members                                                                    
were  likely  all  familiar with  in  subcommittee.  It  was                                                                    
essentially  the  current  year's  budget with  all  of  the                                                                    
automatic changes  such as the expiration  of one-time items                                                                    
and contractual  changes. The  one difference  between LFD's                                                                    
budget  baselines and  the  adjusted base  was  in DEED.  He                                                                    
indicated that  any changes due  to projections  and student                                                                    
counts were  rolled into LFD's  baselines, as they  were not                                                                    
policy changes but projection changes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that the  difference between  the two                                                                    
scenarios  came in  statewide items  and the  Permanent Fund                                                                    
Dividend  (PFD). The  current policy  scenario assumed  that                                                                    
the state would continue as it  had in the current year. The                                                                    
Permanent  Fund  Dividend  was approximately  $1,000.  There                                                                    
were  no  unrestricted  funds  going  to  school  bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement,  the  Regional  Educational  Attendance  Area                                                                    
(REAA)  fund,  community  assistance,  or oil  and  gas  tax                                                                    
credits.  None of  the  items received  UGF  in the  current                                                                    
year.  Current  law  assumed that  instead  the  legislature                                                                    
followed the  items on  the books.  Therefore, it  assumed a                                                                    
statutory PFD, full  funding of school debt,  the REAA fund,                                                                    
community  assistance,  and oil  and  gas  tax credits.  The                                                                    
difference for a  statutory PFD was about  $2 billion versus                                                                    
$680 million appropriated by the  legislature in the current                                                                    
year.  He noted  that for  statewide items,  which he  would                                                                    
provide details  on in the  following slide,  the difference                                                                    
was about $168.5 million between the two baselines.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:23:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  to review  LFD's  budget  baselines                                                                    
focusing on statewide item details  on slide 11. He noted in                                                                    
the debt  service the difference  between the  baselines was                                                                    
the  municipal  project  reimbursement  debt.  The  governor                                                                    
vetoed $2.4 million  in the current budget  for that amount.                                                                    
It reflected a difference in  the state's current policy and                                                                    
current law.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter moved  to the  next item,  breaking out  school                                                                    
debt reimbursement, of which the  governor vetoed all of the                                                                    
funding for the current year.  In current law LFD assumed it                                                                    
was fully  funded. He continued  that with  state retirement                                                                    
there was  no difference because  they were fully  funded in                                                                    
the  current  budget. All  funding  for  the REAA  Fund  was                                                                    
vetoed. In  FY 21  the governor  vetoed the  use of  UGF for                                                                    
community assistance  but used PCE funds.  He explained that                                                                    
in LFD's baseline, current policy  assumed there was no UGF.                                                                    
Current law stated  that UGF needed to get  to the statutory                                                                    
$30 million  deposit. He noted  a white paper  accessible on                                                                    
LFD's website  explaining the community  assistance program,                                                                    
how the  mechanics worked, and  the projected  amounts going                                                                    
forward.  There were  2 versions  of the  paper    the short                                                                    
version  showing only  the funding  and an  extended version                                                                    
which  included  a  background   of  the  program  from  the                                                                    
Legislative  Research  Division.  It provided  a  historical                                                                    
overview  of   the  program   along  with   current  funding                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued  that there were zero  dollars for oil                                                                    
and gas tax  credits in the current budget,  and $60 million                                                                    
was the statutory deposit in FY 22.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  looked  at  FY   22  current  policy  and  law                                                                    
scenarios on  slide 12. Putting  all of the  items together,                                                                    
using  a $150  million capital  budget for  both years,  the                                                                    
current  policy  budget  would   have  a  deficit  of  about                                                                    
$900 million similar to what the  state faced in the current                                                                    
year  in FY  21. In  the current  law scenario,  the deficit                                                                    
would be about  $2.4 billion. There was a  difference in the                                                                    
statewide  items  and  in  the   dividend  which  led  to  a                                                                    
significantly larger deficit in the baseline.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:25:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter advanced  to the  comparison of  the governor's                                                                    
budget versus  LFD's baselines on  slide 13.  The governor's                                                                    
budget  in agency  operations was  about  $69 million  below                                                                    
LFD's  baseline.  He  noted  that  it  was  not  nearly  the                                                                    
reduction  that   could  be   seen  when   comparing  agency                                                                    
operations in  the current  year to  FY 22,  as many  of the                                                                    
items  were  one-time items  for  Covid  relief. There  were                                                                    
really only  $69.3 million of  reductions in  the governor's                                                                    
budget, not  the larger  numbers that could  be seen  in the                                                                    
straight-line comparison.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  reported that in  statewide items  the governor                                                                    
was above current  policy because of the  50 percent funding                                                                    
for school  debt and  the REAA fund.  However, it  was still                                                                    
significantly  below the  current  law  assumption by  about                                                                    
$138.9 million, because  only 50 percent was  funded and for                                                                    
other reasons which he would discuss later.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  that the  governor's capital  budget                                                                    
was  below  LFD's baseline  because  of  the use  of  Alaska                                                                    
Housing  Finance  Corporation's  (AFHC)  bonding.  It  added                                                                    
about $104  million to the  capital budget and showed  up as                                                                    
"other" because of  being a bond proceed. If  it was counted                                                                    
as  UGF, the  typical  fund source,  the governor's  capital                                                                    
budget would be over $160  million, above LFD's baseline. It                                                                    
was  because in  FY  21  the state  had  a partially  funded                                                                    
capital  budget. The  legislature  did  not appropriate  the                                                                    
entire capital  budget in the  year. Much of it  was showing                                                                    
up in the  supplemental request or in  increased projects in                                                                    
the current year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued that the  governor's PFD reflected the                                                                    
statutory amount  which was higher  than the  current policy                                                                    
baseline  but matched  current  law.  The governor's  budget                                                                    
ended  up with  a  deficit  of about  $2.1  billion. It  was                                                                    
larger  than the  current policy  deficit  but smaller  than                                                                    
current law because  of the reductions made  by the governor                                                                    
in agency operations and in the capital budget.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:27:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  to slide  14 to  discuss the  agency                                                                    
operation   differences.    The   governor's    budget   was                                                                    
$69.3 million  below LFD's  baseline. The  largest decrement                                                                    
of  $35.1   million  was   to  Medicaid.   However,  funding                                                                    
available to the program was  flat in the governor's budget.                                                                    
The  governor   was  proposing  language  that   would  take                                                                    
$35 million  of potentially  lapsing  funds  in the  current                                                                    
year  and rolling  them into  the following  year. It  would                                                                    
result  in taking  money  that was  counted  in the  current                                                                    
year's budget,  pushing it forward  to the  following year's                                                                    
budget, and  making it  look like there  was a  reduction to                                                                    
the program.  However, the same  amount of funding  would be                                                                    
available to Medicaid.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter explained  that one  of the  provisions of  the                                                                    
CARES   Act  was   a  higher   federal  medical   assistance                                                                    
percentage  (FMAP) rate.  The state's  normal  rate for  the                                                                    
non-expansion  population  was  50   percent.  It  had  been                                                                    
temporarily   increased   to   56.2   percent   creating   a                                                                    
significant  savings of  approximately  $15  million to  $17                                                                    
million  per  quarter  in  the   state's  budget.  The  rate                                                                    
increase had  been extended through the  current fiscal year                                                                    
and  could potentially  extend to  the end  of the  calendar                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that in  the current year,  the state                                                                    
would  lapse money  in  Medicaid because  of  the FMAP  rate                                                                    
increase. In the  following year, if the  rate was extended,                                                                    
the state might be able  to take a funding reduction without                                                                    
impacting services.  However, if the budget  was reduced, in                                                                    
the  following year  the state  would have  to increase  the                                                                    
budget  to  avoid  a service  reduction.  He  suggested  the                                                                    
administration  saw  it  as  a  way  to  establish  a  lower                                                                    
baseline  and  to provide  the  basis  for future  cuts.  It                                                                    
looked like  a large  reduction but was  not a  reduction in                                                                    
service.  If the  state needed  to  find future  reductions,                                                                    
there would  be built-in Medicaid  cuts. Just to  stay even,                                                                    
the state  would have to  make additional reductions  in the                                                                    
following year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that the one  large service reduction                                                                    
in  the governor's  budget  was made  to  the University  of                                                                    
Alaska.  It was  the last  year of  the compact  which would                                                                    
result  in a  reduction of  $20 million.  The Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and  Facilities  Maintenance was  also  down                                                                    
primarily due to one-time fund  changes to utilize CARES Act                                                                    
money. The other reduction within DOT was to AMHS.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  noted a reduction  of 100 positions  within the                                                                    
Public  Assistance  Program.   He  mentioned  the  reduction                                                                    
because  it was  a good  illustration of  the difficulty  of                                                                    
making  reductions.   A  reduction  of  100   positions  was                                                                    
one-quarter of the total positions  in the program. However,                                                                    
it  only added  up to  about $3  million. He  commented that                                                                    
when the  total deficit was  $2 billion, $3 million  did not                                                                    
make a  significant difference. All  of the minor  cuts were                                                                    
needed to balance  out some of the natural  increases to the                                                                    
budget. Reductions similar  to the example did  not move the                                                                    
needle very much relevant to the whole budget.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  indicated  that the  K-12  formula  was  fully                                                                    
funded  in the  governor's  budget.  However, the  projected                                                                    
student count  changes resulted in  a reduction  of funding.                                                                    
It was  included in LFD's  baseline and was not  included in                                                                    
the  $69.3  million. The  governor  introduced  a bill  that                                                                    
would  amend  the formula  that  would  increase funding  by                                                                    
$35 million but  was not included  in the  governor's fiscal                                                                    
summary or  LFD's summary. He  indicated the  reductions did                                                                    
not  include the  potential increase.  Other changes  across                                                                    
agencies netted to an increase  of about $6 million. Much of                                                                    
the increases had  to do with DPS and DOC  and the splitting                                                                    
of DHSS into 2 agencies.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:32:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter moved to slide  15 to review statewide items. He                                                                    
pointed out  that the governor  had $464 million  for school                                                                    
debt and  the REAA Fund which  were funded at 50  percent of                                                                    
the statutory level.  The governor had $12.4  million of PCE                                                                    
funds for Community Assistance but  no UGF. It would lead to                                                                    
a  $19.5  million  payout  in   FY  23.  For  comparison  in                                                                    
Community Assistance, the base  payment to municipalities in                                                                    
the current  year was $19.7  million. He suggested  that the                                                                    
$19.5 distribution  was just  shy of the  amount to  pay the                                                                    
bases and would lead to  those being prorated and no capital                                                                    
funding  would be  provided. All  cities  would receive  the                                                                    
same  funding  and  all  boroughs  would  receive  the  same                                                                    
funding  because  there  would  be no  room  for  per-capita                                                                    
funding based on the request.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  relayed  that  the  governor  proposed  paying                                                                    
$60 million in oil and gas  tax credits using AIDEA receipts                                                                    
which was  not a designated use  of the funds. There  was no                                                                    
real  link between  the  programs.  The traditional  funding                                                                    
source  for  the  item  was  UGF.  Essentially,  it  was  an                                                                    
artificial budget-lowering  tactic. The governor also  had a                                                                    
Public  Employees' Retirement  System (PERS)  bill that  was                                                                    
not included  in the  governor's budget.  It was  a separate                                                                    
bill that would reduce the budget by $31 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to  the capital  budget on  slide 16.                                                                    
The  capital  budget  amounted  to  $62.2  million  UGF  but                                                                    
included an  Alaska Housing Finance Corporation  (AHFC) bond                                                                    
package totaling  $104 million.  The repayment of  the bonds                                                                    
would not hit the state on  the budget side. Rather it would                                                                    
affect the state on the revenue  side, as they would be paid                                                                    
out  of  AFHC's revenue.  He  explained  that AHFC  sent  an                                                                    
annual dividend to  the state which would be  reduced by the                                                                    
debt service payment amounts. Although  it would not be seen                                                                    
on the budget side, there would  still be an increase to the                                                                    
state's future deficit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  reported that the  governor's GO  Bond proposal                                                                    
would  have a  debt service  cost  of about  $22 million  to                                                                    
$23 million annually. However, not all  of it would come out                                                                    
the  first year,  as the  bonds were  issued over  time. The                                                                    
governor  also had  a fast  track  supplemental that  funded                                                                    
some  of the  unfunded FY  21  projects. Some  of them  were                                                                    
moved to  the FY 22 budget  and others were funded  with the                                                                    
August  2020   RPL  process.  In   LFD's  overview   of  the                                                                    
governor's budget, the  big red book, in  the capital budget                                                                    
section there was  a detailed breakdown of  what happened to                                                                    
the  unfunded  projects.  He highlighted  that  between  the                                                                    
various funding  vehicles (the  supplemental, the  RPLs, and                                                                    
increased amounts in the FY  22 budget) most of the projects                                                                    
were getting funded in some  way in the governor's proposal.                                                                    
However, they were  not all funded in a  straight line where                                                                    
spending  could  be tracked  from  one  budget to  the  next                                                                    
because of the many ways they were being funded.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   reviewed  a  short  fiscal   summary  of  the                                                                    
governor's  budget  on  slide   17.  He  pointed  to  agency                                                                    
operations.  There was  a reduction  of $190  million rather                                                                    
than a  reduction of $69.3 million.  The Legislative Finance                                                                    
Division's baselines eliminated  the one-time items. Without                                                                    
eliminating the  one-time items, it would  appear there were                                                                    
much larger  reductions than in actuality.  The total budget                                                                    
was down  $230.6 million before the  dividend. However, much                                                                    
of it  was due to the  one-time effect. If the  dividend was                                                                    
added back  in and before  supplementals, there would  be an                                                                    
increase.  However, one  of the  supplementals the  governor                                                                    
proposed was  an increased  PFD in FY  21. If  the increased                                                                    
PFD was  added back in, the  budget would be lower  in FY 22                                                                    
than in  FY 21. In the  end, the deficit for  both years was                                                                    
about $1.2 billion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  that the  governor proposed  meeting                                                                    
the deficit  through 2 different  fund sources. In FY  21 he                                                                    
proposed for the supplemental dividend  to come directly out                                                                    
of  the Earnings  Reserve  Account (ERA)  in  the amount  of                                                                    
$1.2 billion. The previously approved  amount would come out                                                                    
of the CBR. In FY 22  he proposed for the entire dividend to                                                                    
come out of the ERA.  The remaining deficit estimated at $93                                                                    
million would come out of the CBR.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:37:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  turned to slide  18, a continued review  of the                                                                    
governor's  FY  21/22  budget.   In  the  big  picture,  the                                                                    
governor's  budget  built  in several  UGF  reductions  that                                                                    
could  be  difficult  to  repeat. He  had  touched  on  them                                                                    
already. They included using  lapsing balances for Medicaid,                                                                    
using one-time federal  money in fund changes  in DOT, using                                                                    
AIDEA receipts for  oil and gas tax credits,  and using AHFC                                                                    
bonds  in the  capital  budget. The  items all  artificially                                                                    
lowered the size  of the budget. The governor  was trying to                                                                    
minimize the  use of  the general  fund. Without  the items,                                                                    
the   governor's  budget   would  be   relatively  flat   at                                                                    
$4.5 billion.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  presented  the   governor's  10-year  plan  on                                                                    
slide 19.  The governor  proposed  overdraws of  the ERA  in                                                                    
FY 21  and FY  22.  However, he  theoretically balanced  the                                                                    
budget  beginning in  FY 23  by generating  $900 million  to                                                                    
$1.2 billion  in new revenues  without specifying  a source.                                                                    
The  governor  also  proposed to  change  the  formula  from                                                                    
50 percent  of statutory  net income  to 50  percent of  the                                                                    
POMV  draw,  a reduction  of  about  $400 million  per  year                                                                    
compared  to the  statutory  dividend.  That dividend  would                                                                    
still be significantly  higher than the payout in  FY 21 but                                                                    
lower than the statute.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter reported that the  governor also built-in agency                                                                    
operations  reductions of  about $100  million per  year for                                                                    
FY 23 and FY  24 and sub-inflation growth  beyond that time.                                                                    
Essentially, it would  take the state from  $3.8 billion for                                                                    
agency  operations  in  the  governor's  current  budget  to                                                                    
$3.7 billion and $3.6 billion. Given  that some of the items                                                                    
were  one-time in  nature, it  would require  finding future                                                                    
reductions to meet the governor's plan.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:39:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  to  discuss  the governor's  10-year                                                                    
plan on slide 20. He  indicated that the governor's proposed                                                                    
overdraws to the  ERA came at a cost to  future deficits. He                                                                    
explained  that  because  the  POMV  draw  was  the  state's                                                                    
largest  source of  revenue, the  extra  draws would  reduce                                                                    
future  POMV draws  causing future  deficits to  increase by                                                                    
about $160 million in inflation-adjusted terms.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter advised  that the  legislature needed  to weigh                                                                    
the  economic  benefits  of  a  potential  stimulus  package                                                                    
against  the long-term  cost.  The  governor's proposal  was                                                                    
essentially a  stimulus package of  the supplemental  PFD, a                                                                    
larger  PFD  in the  fall,  and  the GO Bond  proposal.  The                                                                    
legislature could also consider  other potential stimulus or                                                                    
relief packages  that could be  more narrowly  targeted with                                                                    
reduced spending.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  continued   that  the   policy  choices   the                                                                    
legislature  made  would  have   different  effects  on  the                                                                    
economy  and  different  distributional  impacts.  Over  the                                                                    
previous several years  the state had not  added new revenue                                                                    
but  had reduced  the dividend  below  the statutory  level.                                                                    
Comparing the  different options, the state  could reach the                                                                    
same numbers  by either reducing the  dividend or generating                                                                    
new  revenue.   However,  they  had  different   impacts  on                                                                    
different  areas of  the state  and on  people in  different                                                                    
income brackets, something to keep  in mind in making policy                                                                    
choices. If  the legislature  wanted to  add new  revenue in                                                                    
FY 23, it would  have to be authorized in  the current year,                                                                    
as  it  took time  to  implement.  Even  then, it  would  be                                                                    
difficult to set up a new  tax beginning on July 1, 2022. He                                                                    
suggested   that   hitting   the  target   would   be   very                                                                    
challenging.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter suggested that if  the legislature agreed to the                                                                    
overdraws to  the ERA  in the  current and  following years,                                                                    
without deficit  filling measures,  it could  quickly result                                                                    
in depleting  the ERA  similar to what  happened to  the CBR                                                                    
and the SBR.  He reminded members that every  time the state                                                                    
overdrew from the ERA, it  increased future deficits leading                                                                    
to  reductions  in  services and  increases  in  taxes.  The                                                                    
overdraws were costly in the long-term.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  turned to  the  final  slide that  showed  the                                                                    
impact of the governor's proposed  FY 21 and FY 22 overdraws                                                                    
on the ERA balance and the  POMV draw. The difference in the                                                                    
ERA   balance  could   be   seen   immediately  going   from                                                                    
$14 billion  if  the  state   followed  the  POMV  to  about                                                                    
$10.5 billion  if   the  legislature   decided  to   do  the                                                                    
overdraws. He  noted LFD  assumed no  inflation-proofing for                                                                    
FY 21  through FY 24 based  on a line of  legislative intent                                                                    
that accompanied  a $4 billion  transfer. In  both scenarios                                                                    
the ERA  grew but declined in  the future because of  a lack                                                                    
of inflation-proofing  in combination with the  overdraws of                                                                    
the  ERA. The  lines on  the  chart showed  the POMV  draws.                                                                    
There was no  immediate change, but there  was a significant                                                                    
difference  by  FY 30 looking  at  the  5-year average.  The                                                                    
deficit would be about  $200 million larger ($160 million in                                                                    
real terms) in the future. He was available for questions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:43:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  indicated Representative Edgmon  had joined                                                                    
the   meeting.  He   also  thanked   Mr.  Painter   for  his                                                                    
presentation and thought it was powerful.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool   thought  there  was  a   scarcity  of                                                                    
suggestions on how  to resolve the deficit  of $1.2 billion.                                                                    
Angela  Rodell  of  AFPC did  not  recommend  overdraws.  He                                                                    
indicated that  the oil production  forecast was  not great,                                                                    
nor was the forecast of  earnings of the Permanent Fund over                                                                    
the  following 10  years. He  thought  testifiers needed  to                                                                    
make suggestions.  He referred  to slide 14  and educational                                                                    
funding due  to a  lack of enrollment.  He asked  if federal                                                                    
funding in the amount of $135  million could be used to help                                                                    
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter thought  the  situation  differed by  district.                                                                    
Some  of   the  districts   that  were  running   their  own                                                                    
correspondence  programs received  increased funding  in the                                                                    
current year because of the  way the hold harmless provision                                                                    
only  applied to  brick-and-mortar students.  Students could                                                                    
switch  from  brick-and-mortar  to  correspondence,  getting                                                                    
counted for hold harmless, and getting counted again.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  reported that about  half of the  districts had                                                                    
more  funding in  the  current  year than  they  had in  the                                                                    
previous  year.  The  other  half  of  districts,  primarily                                                                    
districts  without  a   correspondence  program,  were  down                                                                    
significantly. For  example, one district saw  a 4.9 percent                                                                    
decrease  in their  student count  and did  not trigger  the                                                                    
hold harmless provision  which kicked in at  5 percent. Some                                                                    
districts were down significantly  and had access to federal                                                                    
funding that  could be used  for certain  purposes. However,                                                                    
the  funding  was not  as  flexible  as UGF.  Districts  had                                                                    
reported different  situations. Some had very  tight budgets                                                                    
and some  were doing  better because  of the  interaction of                                                                    
the student  count formula and the  hold harmless provision.                                                                    
He  could not  provide one  answer as  to whether  districts                                                                    
were okay. The answer would vary across the state.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:47:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool referred  to slide  9. Mr.  Painter had                                                                    
pointed out that FY 19 and  FY 22 reflected flat funding. He                                                                    
asked if the bar graph included COVID money.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that  the   federal  number  was  not                                                                    
reflected in the UGF only  slide. There was UGF specific for                                                                    
Covid relief in the  FY 20 and FY 21 budgets.  It was not in                                                                    
the  FY 22  budget, and  a  reduction could  be seen.  Other                                                                    
reductions  included   Medicaid  and  DOT,  the   2  largest                                                                    
examples.  About $50  million  of the  decrease  was due  to                                                                    
using  federal Covid  monies instead  of UGF.  If the  items                                                                    
were pulled  out, the  state would be  slightly above  FY 18                                                                    
levels.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  referred to slide 9.  He asked how                                                                    
the state had reduced the  overall budget by 44 percent, yet                                                                    
the FY 22 budget looked like FY 18.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied that  if  the  chart was  extended  to                                                                    
FY 13, the  bulk of the  reductions occurred in  the capital                                                                    
budget. Agency operations  were down 11 percent  from FY 15,                                                                    
not the dramatic 43 percent.  He commented that the years of                                                                    
reductions occurred in FY 16, FY  17, and FY 18. Since then,                                                                    
the  state   had  been  treading   water.  Looking   at  the                                                                    
information agency-by-agency,  every agency  experienced UGF                                                                    
reductions  between  FY 15  and  FY  18.  Since FY  18,  the                                                                    
reductions were  mixed and  had offset  increases elsewhere.                                                                    
Whereas, reductions occurred across the  board from FY 15 to                                                                    
FY 18.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson referred  to  slide  12. He  noted                                                                    
that  when  looking at  the  current  policy, there  was  an                                                                    
assumption of a $600  million PFD. Without the pre-transfer,                                                                    
the deficit would be about $200  million. He asked if he was                                                                    
correct. Mr. Painter responded, "Yes."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson referred  to  slide 14  and SB  58                                                                    
which would  amend the  K-12 formula.  He mentioned  that at                                                                    
the beginning of the administration's  term it wanted to cut                                                                    
funding  to  education  by   $250  million.  Currently,  the                                                                    
administration was  looking to  increase education  by $35.5                                                                    
million. He  asked if he  was accurate. Mr.  Painter replied                                                                    
in   the   affirmative.   The  bill   would   increase   the                                                                    
correspondence multiplier  from 90  percent to  100 percent.                                                                    
It would also move  correspondence students into the formula                                                                    
which would increase funding in the governor's proposal.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:52:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson referred  to  slide  16. He  noted                                                                    
that  the   committee  had  learned   that  the   state  had                                                                    
$120 million   for  surface   transportation  projects.   He                                                                    
wondered if  it should change the  legislature's disposition                                                                    
towards a GO Bond. He  suggested that $150 million plus $120                                                                    
million for  capital projects was  a substantial  amount. He                                                                    
heard the  co-chairman of the other  body express reluctance                                                                    
on the issue  including the timing. He asked  Mr. Painter to                                                                    
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that the representative  was asking a                                                                    
policy question.  He could not provide  a definitive answer.                                                                    
He offered that transportation  projects were one portion of                                                                    
the  GO Bond.  There  were other  projects  where there  was                                                                    
significant   need.  The   school  construction   and  major                                                                    
maintenance  list combined  had  $400  million of  projects.                                                                    
There  was  significantly more  need  that  appeared on  the                                                                    
lists. The state  could fund an entire $350  million GO Bond                                                                    
on  school  construction   and  major  maintenance  projects                                                                    
alone.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  that there  were  needs in  deferred                                                                    
maintenance as  well. Not all deferred  maintenance projects                                                                    
would qualify  as a GO Bond  project because they had  to be                                                                    
capital improvements  per the constitution. There  were some                                                                    
deferred maintenance projects that  qualified. The state had                                                                    
a  $2  billion  backlog of  deferred  maintenance  projects.                                                                    
There was  no shortage  of need. While  the presence  of the                                                                    
federal   money  might   make   it  less   urgent  to   fund                                                                    
transportation projects specifically,  there was no shortage                                                                    
of projects that could vie for a $350 million bond package.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  referred to slide 18.  Mr. Painter                                                                    
had  talked about  the  unsustainability  of the  governor's                                                                    
proposal to draw  from other sources to  pay for government.                                                                    
He thought  it came down  to additional revenues to  get the                                                                    
state's budget balanced.  Otherwise, the governor's proposal                                                                    
was creative as anything else to get a balanced budget.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that if  the legislature did not attempt                                                                    
to solve the fiscal problem  in the current year, then doing                                                                    
everything within its power to  increase the life of the CBR                                                                    
was probably  a sensible  policy. If the  legislature sought                                                                    
to  solve  the fiscal  problem  in  the current  year,  then                                                                    
perhaps all of the governor's proposals were unnecessary.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  remained on slide 18.  He wondered                                                                    
about the  $35.0 million  of lapsing  balances. He  asked if                                                                    
the  governor's proposal  for  FY 22  would  result in  flat                                                                    
funding for  Medicaid because of  federal funding.  He asked                                                                    
if he was right. Mr.  Painter responded that he was correct.                                                                    
He suggested that even without  the lapsing balances, if the                                                                    
FMAP  increase was  extended  until the  end  of the  fiscal                                                                    
year, the  state would be able  to meet a reduction  of such                                                                    
magnitude.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:57:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  returned  to slide  12.  He  wondered                                                                    
about  UGF revenue.  He  suggested  certain assumptions  had                                                                    
been made  at the time  the slide  was created. He  asked if                                                                    
any revenue assumptions had changed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter indicated  the assumptions  were  based on  the                                                                    
Fall  DOR forecast  which assumed  an oil  price of  $48 per                                                                    
barrel in  FY 22. Actual  prices were about $10  higher. The                                                                    
state  received approximately  $28  million  to $30  million                                                                    
more in  revenue for every  dollar the price  increased. The                                                                    
state  anticipated about  $300 million  more in  revenues in                                                                    
FY 22  if  current  oil  prices  held.  The  Spring  Revenue                                                                    
Forecast  would  be  released in  the  following  few  weeks                                                                    
reflecting an updated price.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon pointed to the  PFD line and the higher                                                                    
revenue  number. He  suggested  that  potentially the  state                                                                    
would not have a higher  deficit. Mr. Painter responded that                                                                    
the state would not have a  deficit if no dividend was paid.                                                                    
He referred  to slide 15  for an additional  question. There                                                                    
was a reference  made to using AIDEA  receipts. He clarified                                                                    
that  the  money would  be  used  to  pay  oil and  gas  tax                                                                    
credits. He wondered  if the $60 million was  over and above                                                                    
the   AIDEA   dividend   amount.   Mr.   Painter   responded                                                                    
affirmatively.  It would  be an  additional draw  from AIDEA                                                                    
beyond their dividend which was $17 million.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon aske  Mr. Painter if he  had an opinion                                                                    
regarding  such  a  sizable  draw  against  AIDEA's  capital                                                                    
amount.  Mr.  Painter  thought  it was  a  policy  call.  He                                                                    
reported  AIDEA had  a $1.4  billion net  position including                                                                    
ownership  stakes. They  had cash  on hand  in their  latest                                                                    
statements that  could support the  draw. However,  it would                                                                    
reduce the amount they had  for future projects. In the eyes                                                                    
of credit  raters, regardless of  the size of the  draw, any                                                                    
draw  from AIDEA  for  a state  obligation  would likely  be                                                                    
viewed negatively. In  terms of AIDEA's cash  flow, they had                                                                    
sufficient cash on hand. However,  it would be a significant                                                                    
portion of their cash.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon commented  that overdrawing  the AIDEA                                                                    
capital  account   would  hamstring  its  ability   to  bond                                                                    
projects  at  competitive   interest  rates.  Also,  AIDEA's                                                                    
rating might  be impacted  by an  overdraw of  their capital                                                                    
account.  He wondered  if it  would  be a  one-time draw  on                                                                    
AIDEA receipts  or whether it  would be the  future program.                                                                    
He asked  about the total level  of oil and gas  tax credits                                                                    
to be repaid. It was just a 1-year event.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter reported  that the  amount  of outstanding  tax                                                                    
credits was  approximately $700  million. In  the governor's                                                                    
10-year plan there  was no UGF for tax credits  in any year.                                                                    
He  was uncertain  if the  governor's plan  was to  continue                                                                    
AIDEA draws or find another source.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster  reiterated   the   significance  of   the                                                                    
presentation.  He  reviewed  the agenda  for  the  following                                                                    
meeting later in the day.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  69  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  71  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

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3-2-21HFINOverview.pdf HFIN 3/2/2021 9:00:00 AM
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DOR Response HFIN
Gefonsi fund balances $25K+ at June 30 2020.pdf HFIN 3/2/2021 9:00:00 AM
DOR Response HFIN
DOR Response to HFIN Fall 2020 RSB Presentation 2021.03.22.pdf HFIN 3/2/2021 9:00:00 AM